No, I think Bucky will die saving Sam after they have an on-screen fight about the future of the Avengers.
Josh-sama2025-11-30 23:08
They’ll die holding hands together and finally admitting they’re in love with each other
DuckyHornet2025-11-30 23:23
EcksFountain1322025-12-01 18:10
Ugh no- Bucky's been treated as Sam's accessory so long, I don't want him to die as that. Sam doesn't love Bucky anyway.
silverBruise_322025-11-30 23:31
Probably. And I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the other New Avengers, or one or two of Sam's Avengers, die over the course of the movie, too. Whoever is left will form a single Avengers team, led jointly by Sam and Yelena
YoungBpB20132025-11-30 23:58
It’s Civil War 2: The New Avengers!
EcksFountain1322025-12-01 18:09
I don't want this to happen, but it probably will. Bucky dying to save Sam will be the final insult: using him to further another character's storyline \*again\* instead of allowing him to be his own character.
rubyschnees2025-11-30 23:02
~~Bucky's~~ Yelena's team
KrifeH2025-12-01 03:32
bucky had so much potential, marvel fumbled him hard
kulitchipon2025-12-01 05:42
Ugh agree. It seems like they don't know how to write him aside from being a sidekick to Cap when his story is so rich.
YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO2025-12-01 06:34
Hes been shown up every chance ever since the end of endgame, and even a bit before. I was so excited to see him in thunderbolts, but they wasted him again
AdditionalBanana95852025-11-30 23:07
Yelena is the leader of the New Avengers.
silverBruise_322025-11-30 23:09
The post credits scene was clear. I don't know why anybody is pretending otherwise
Ericandabear2025-12-01 00:40
I dont think the title implied otherwise
INKatana2025-12-01 04:32
Sure, but Bucky is still part of the team, so by definition, it is Bucky's team just as much as it's yelena's team. Regardless of who the leader is.
EcksFountain1322025-12-01 18:19
That's like saying the OG Avengers were Clint's or Bruce's team.
INKatana2025-12-03 05:57
Exactly. That's because it was.
trickman012025-12-01 15:20
*Avengerz
LewisRyan2025-12-02 02:17
“He’s the leader, I’m the bank, means you can blame him if things go wrong”
Bucky was listening to tony
Forsaken_Professor792025-12-02 03:37
I’d say they fit the dynamic of Steve and Tony or Steve and Nat post Ultron being co leaders I think that post credit plays it well with Bucky telling Yelena what to say. Yelena is more the public face with Bucky being the strategist tactical leader.
Responsible_Egg75192025-11-30 23:15
*Yelena’s* team, although I’m sure Sam and Bucky will talk things out. I think they’ll combine against the larger threat of Doom + the Incursions, but I’m not sure what their statuses will be by the end of Doomsday. We don’t even know who’s on Sam’s team yet, Bob will probably end up with Doom one way or another, and I could see any of the Thunderbolts aside from Yelena dying. So, the “Avengers” will probably be whoever is left after all that
kulitchipon2025-12-01 00:42
I think it's so stupid Sam's forming a team offscreen like. Wtf.
Responsible_Egg75192025-12-01 01:05
BNW really should’ve included that. I think it’s going to be a bit difficult building effective dynamics for his team in Doomsday. I feel much more invested in the F4 and Thunderbolts since we have already seen them go through stuff together
kulitchipon2025-12-01 01:07
Right? Plus the lineup would've probably be more familiar with Steve as Cap so I would've loved to see how Sam would convince them to follow him as Cap.
draculabakula2025-11-30 23:19
I think the New Avengers are getting defeated by Doom early in the movie and then yes, the remaining members will become Sam's avengers.
I don't think there is time to have concurrent teams in the movie unless the movie is going to be 3-4+
Citizensnnippss2025-12-01 01:00
We know the movie features The avengers fighting the OG X-Men, presumably over convergences possibly destroying their universes.
My guess is the new avengers and Sam's avengers immediately reconcile and fight the X-Men together.
I actually don't think Doom will directly face the avengers at all in the film, besides maybe the end, like Thanos in Infinity War.
kulitchipon2025-12-01 01:08
Agree. Aside from that stupid copyright case, it's not like they have a legit reason to fight each other esp when there's a bigger threat to face.
Myhtological2025-12-01 01:28
We do not know that. This isn’t avx
belle_enfant2025-12-01 01:36
My favorite Twitter guy said it though bro its definitely happening bro, I will continue to state it matter of factly bro so everyone else runs with it bro
DJfunkyPuddle2025-12-01 02:27
Also I'm going to be irrationally disappointed when it doesn't happen and I'm never going to let it go.
belle_enfant2025-12-01 02:33
The movie is bad because they changed the clearly-accurate leak to spite me!!!
Market_Massive2025-12-01 02:14
Obviously, no one really knows until the movie comes out but I see them going a different route and splitting the four main teams into two storylines like in Infinity War. With the Thunderbolts* dealing with the Fantastic Four because of their post-credits scene and Sam’s Avengers dealing with the X-Men because of the Marvels post-credit scene. It’s likely that both stories would converge but probably not until some point in the third act.
Citizensnnippss2025-12-01 02:29
Alan Cummings and Pedro Pascal have basically confirmed they have a fight scene together. Cummings straight up said it, then Pascal joked about it, then Cummings has tried to say "maybe I was given the wrong info" since.
Market_Massive2025-12-01 05:02
Like I said, I don’t know anything. I could very much be wrong but I am just saying what I think is most likely based on what we have seen so far.
RedbullPapi2025-11-30 23:23
Idk this has the potential to lead to an Averages Civil War 2 if done right.
kulitchipon2025-12-01 05:52
Idk, their issue isn't as deep as CW's though. For now it's just a name thing.
dylandalal2025-12-02 14:53
Their issue is definitely that Sam has a band of heroes, and Bucky has a band of villains.
cuckingfomputer2025-12-02 17:04
Also, Sam probably wanted to recruit Bucky and Bucky, I'm sure, said 'actually, I have my own super hero team now, also, i'm a politician; don't got time for ya'll'.
Eric-HipHopple2025-11-30 23:33
Too much of Phases 4-6 have had what for me would be the most interesting overarching plot points happen “off screen” - so following that trend, I bet Doomsday or Secret Wars *starts* with the two teams united, just a few throwaway lines about how they “sorted out some disagreements earlier.”
CaptHayfever2025-12-01 04:09
I'm decently certain the post-credit scene from Thunderbolts is just a scene lifted directly from Doomsday.
Wheattoast20192025-12-01 10:36
Yeah they were directed by the Russo Bros so I absolutely think it’s a plot line they’ll use. I have no idea how they plan to fit that in, but we’ll see.
RealMaxHours2025-12-01 19:13
I bet it’ll either be the last scene before the title card or the first one after it
Hellstrom6662025-12-02 06:08
They’ll probably all think they can handle Doom themselves trying to prove they can, only to fail, have some members be killed and then realize “we gotta work together to take him down”.
i_am_13th_panic2025-12-02 16:01
i would be surprised if the first one'll be civil war type plot
silverBruise_322025-11-30 23:34
I like how nobody here is even pretending that Bucky is the leader of the New Avengers, anymore. It's more honest.
To answer your question, OP - yes, I believe that both teams will eventually combine into one. That will probably happen after a few of the New Avengers are taken out by Doom. Bucky probably goes first
JackfruitCreative9882025-12-01 05:26
I wonder what will be Red Guardian and Walkers outcomes also? Will we lose all of our super soldiers?
kulitchipon2025-12-01 05:50
I'll be fine with Alexei going, lol
JackfruitCreative9882025-12-01 13:36
Dang those two have both grown on me lol I really hope we don't lose either of them tbh. I wouldn't lose any sleep if they do end up being killed off but I still don't want it to happen..
silverBruise_322025-12-01 09:50
Red Guardian will also probably die to give Yelena more reasons to angst. No great loss. I'd say Walker is about 50:50, but I think he'll make it
cuckingfomputer2025-12-02 17:06
>I like how nobody here is even pretending that Bucky is the leader of the New Avengers, anymore.
I legitimately see it as a Tony/Cap kinda shared leadership thing. They both lead the team. They will probably both take initiative on different things.
silverBruise_322025-12-02 17:08
There's nothing to suggest that's the case. Our only insight into the group dynamic, in the post-credits scene, shows Yelena giving orders, as the leader, and Bucky giving advice, without being in charge in any way
cuckingfomputer2025-12-02 17:11
Pretty limited window to speculate on.
silverBruise_322025-12-02 17:16
It's all we've got, and it's in keeping with how they've written both characters so far.
And what are you basing your speculation on?
cuckingfomputer2025-12-02 17:18
Bucky has more experience, by far, and is sort of serving in a leadership role in another capacity already (he's an elected politician), and he has ties to Sam's Avengers (specifically by way of Sam, the leader of Sam's Avengers), so he'll probably be trusted to do some organizing between multiple teams.
silverBruise_322025-12-02 17:25
That's never mattered in the slightest. Him being a congressman? Seriously? The subplot that came out of nowhere, and leads nowhere? And is mainly written for the punchline of "ha-ha, Bucky can't talk to reporters"? What ties? Being Sam's sidekick? There's no "organizing", there's just Bucky traipsing after Sam, and admitting Sam was right about everything.
You're vastly overstating what they're doing, and have done, with the character. Did you even watch the show?
cuckingfomputer2025-12-02 17:28
>You're vastly overstating what they're doing, and have done, with the character. Did you even watch the show?
Yes, I have. And you've got really strong feelings about this that I don't agree with, so I'm just gonna let you do you and turn off inbox replies. Have a good day, champ.
silverBruise_322025-12-02 17:30
Yeah, because I watched the show they actually made, not the one I pretended they did.
You, too, sport.
BradyPhoenix2025-11-30 23:36
I imagine a few members from each team will die and then the survivors will unite into a unified group of Avengers.
NeoZ33D2025-12-01 00:00
Will they actively be against each other after Doomsday? For sure!
DriveFormer85772025-12-01 00:03
After half of them die? Yes
MsAndrea2025-12-01 00:14
I think most of them in "New Avengers" will be killed in short order, but yes, what remains will work together.
VakarianJ2025-12-01 00:15
I doubt we see a lot of these characters again after Secret Wars. I like a lot of them (especially the Thunderbolts gang) but they just have not connected with audiences the same way the Infinity Saga characters have.
kulitchipon2025-12-01 01:10
I think the TB connected with the audience well enough, but unfortunately that didn't translate to profit for Disney, which is probably a big reason why we won't be seeing them again (which pains me because I love the TB)
the_doughboy2025-12-01 00:41
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kulitchipon2025-12-01 05:51
Man, not Ghost though. She has a pretty unique ability out of all of them.
JyconX2025-12-01 00:42
They will inevitably have to if they wanna defeat Doom.
Myhtological2025-12-01 01:27
I don’t think they’ll exist. Soft reboot baby.
LnStrngr2025-12-01 01:28
I suspect there will be a thinning of heroes and that yes, some groups will have to merge to fight back.
EightBiscuit012025-12-01 01:35
They’re gonna join together IN Doomsday
ZECO_SOL2025-12-01 01:52
Either that or an avengers west coast and east coast deal
Fisch_Paste1142025-12-01 04:01
At the end credits of thunder bolts* Bucky said that his talk with Sam didn’t go too well. It felt a little sad considering how much they went through, but I can see them putting their differences aside in the heat of battle and joining up.
Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-12-01 04:14
Probably.
juances192025-12-01 04:26
I mean, surely they'll recognize that a threat to the multiverse is more important and join forces even if temporarily.
SeekerVash2025-12-01 04:43
I doubt Sam will be around post-Doomsday.
[Anthony Mackie Takes a Hit as Kevin Feige Blames 'Brave New World's Flop on the Absence of a Fan-Favorite Captain America : r/Marvel](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/1meym7s/anthony_mackie_takes_a_hit_as_kevin_feige_blames/)
If Feige is already publicly defining his character as a problem, Feige is not going to approve a direction that sees him as a major character. No studio head says things like that unless they're moving in a different direction.
Business_Barber_36112025-12-02 14:03
If Sam's not sticking around Bucky DEFINITELY won't.
Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-01 05:03
They will or they should. See in infinity war avengers are splitted so they can't win endgame they are to together they can win so unity is strength than different
richman6782025-12-01 05:28
Yes….however not by choice
SpeedBlitzX2025-12-01 08:58
They might join forces in Doomsday perhaps??
Equivalent-Garlic1002025-12-01 10:38
I don't mind Bucky, Yelena and Ava joining Sam's Avengers once they apologise for straling the name and shilling for the CIA. Walker and Alexei can choke though.
Soulwarfare422025-12-01 12:43
The Thunderbolt post-credit scene seems to be from Doomsday
So likely, the two Avenger teams will be at odds with each other at first until the stake of the situation elevates to the point that they need to work together
Some likely ways for it to happen is:
1. Bucky dying
2. Fury sits both teams down and reminds them why the Avengers were a thing
3. Innocent people dying
Ausecurity2025-12-01 13:43
They’re gonna join together after half of each teams killed
brickonator20002025-12-01 17:11
I can't see them missing out on a chance to do a big team up moment, even if they go their separate ways again after.
EcksFountain1322025-12-01 18:11
Bucky is going to die in Doomsday so thre will be no "Bucky's Team" afterwards.
SinnerStar2025-12-02 09:22
Of course they will, it just a repeat of Tony and Steve teams.
They probably use another fuckin time machine to fix thing but go into the future this time. Alla BttF2 McFly!!!
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Bucky was listening to tony
I don't think there is time to have concurrent teams in the movie unless the movie is going to be 3-4+
My guess is the new avengers and Sam's avengers immediately reconcile and fight the X-Men together.
I actually don't think Doom will directly face the avengers at all in the film, besides maybe the end, like Thanos in Infinity War.
To answer your question, OP - yes, I believe that both teams will eventually combine into one. That will probably happen after a few of the New Avengers are taken out by Doom. Bucky probably goes first
I legitimately see it as a Tony/Cap kinda shared leadership thing. They both lead the team. They will probably both take initiative on different things.
And what are you basing your speculation on?
You're vastly overstating what they're doing, and have done, with the character. Did you even watch the show?
Yes, I have. And you've got really strong feelings about this that I don't agree with, so I'm just gonna let you do you and turn off inbox replies. Have a good day, champ.
You, too, sport.
[Anthony Mackie Takes a Hit as Kevin Feige Blames 'Brave New World's Flop on the Absence of a Fan-Favorite Captain America : r/Marvel](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/1meym7s/anthony_mackie_takes_a_hit_as_kevin_feige_blames/)
If Feige is already publicly defining his character as a problem, Feige is not going to approve a direction that sees him as a major character. No studio head says things like that unless they're moving in a different direction.
So likely, the two Avenger teams will be at odds with each other at first until the stake of the situation elevates to the point that they need to work together
Some likely ways for it to happen is:
1. Bucky dying
2. Fury sits both teams down and reminds them why the Avengers were a thing
3. Innocent people dying
They probably use another fuckin time machine to fix thing but go into the future this time. Alla BttF2 McFly!!!